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they are hoping the timing will be better to deal with the sequestration with the debt ceiling but that is cosmetics. john is right. the premise of your question is right. this is a party that lost its way, lost its vision, lost its approach and the president is trying --. >>gregg: the president's approval rating is 53 percent and negative 48 percent and that is almost the lowest of any second-term president in six decades. nixon did better than that. however, look at the house of representatives republicans. they are showing disapproval rating at 73 percent. >> they have been perceived at negative, out of touch positions that are not popular. >>gregg: gay rights and tax rights? >> and they fit into the demonization they are protecting the rights of the rich. >> they do not have a pro growth agenda, creating jobs, they do not have a message. >>gregg: and the republican party is out of touch according to six in ten. five in ten, they rank poor on climate change and women's issue. >> there is a center right agenda that is solid majority of the american people buy into, but bottom line, th
they are hoping the timing will be better to deal with the sequestration with the debt ceiling but that is cosmetics. john is right. the premise of your question is right. this is a party that lost its way, lost its vision, lost its approach and the president is trying --. >>gregg: the president's approval rating is 53 percent and negative 48 percent and that is almost the lowest of any second-term president in six decades. nixon did better than that. however, look at the house of...
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he still faces an unresolved fiscal situation and looks like republicans may be extending the debt ceiling by a few months but he still has major budget cuts to deal with this spring. do you see his relationship with republicans improving at all as they try to fix this crisis? >> it is going to be a real confrontation. the republicans did blink. that's exactly right, bianna, and said they don't want this confrontation over the debt limit, that does supposed to hit february and they are going to extend it, as he said, probably in april. the president will sign that which gives them a space to try to come up again with some kind of big budget deal before those across-the-board budget cuts hit in march, and the government is set to shut down at the end of march. there is no question that these big fiscal issues, taxes and spending are going to define the first quarter of the president's second term. >> george, talk about this term, the second term curse. we -- reagan had iran-contra. nixon, of course, had watergate. clinton had monica lewinsky. why is it that second terms tend to go sour? >>
he still faces an unresolved fiscal situation and looks like republicans may be extending the debt ceiling by a few months but he still has major budget cuts to deal with this spring. do you see his relationship with republicans improving at all as they try to fix this crisis? >> it is going to be a real confrontation. the republicans did blink. that's exactly right, bianna, and said they don't want this confrontation over the debt limit, that does supposed to hit february and they are...
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on not slamming-- or raising the debt ceiling, just the tone, jay carney saying he's encouraged and the republicans trying to beat a deadline and things might be different. >> sure, i don't think anyone in this town is under any illusion, and magically the republicans and democrats are coming together and solve all of these big problems and singing kumbayah. but there are a host of things where they want to come together and find some common ground and the debt ceiling might be one of them, but the republicans have some caveats to that and want to make sure that the senate democrats pass a budget. something they haven't done in the last four years and put some heat on the democrats right there. even as both sides are talking about coming together on some of this, there's going to be an edge to it as well. let's not forget the president is still dealing with high unemployment. and wants to focus on gun control, immigration reform and get those done in the second term and still got things left over from the first term. stubbornly high unemployment said he's going to cut the budget def
on not slamming-- or raising the debt ceiling, just the tone, jay carney saying he's encouraged and the republicans trying to beat a deadline and things might be different. >> sure, i don't think anyone in this town is under any illusion, and magically the republicans and democrats are coming together and solve all of these big problems and singing kumbayah. but there are a host of things where they want to come together and find some common ground and the debt ceiling might be one of...
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ceiling, but if he is to do -- with regard to the gun control and universal background checks and he is going to have to spend a great deal of time and a great deal of political capital to get that done. >> the white house says a few things about this. one thing is he has his coalition that elected him by a strong margin behind him and they'll amplify that coalition as much as they can to try and push action, but they're looking at this as a three-track deal and the immigration reform measures they'll start pushing plus gun control. >> in four or five months he becomes a lame duck president. >> pretty much. >> we'll come back to you guys later in the show and i want to talk about what happened in the gop retreat, as well. >> coming up, though, 50 years ago she predicted america would not see an african-american president in her lifetime. maya angelou will join me in just a few minutes. >>> also the little girl that stood beside president obama as he unveiled the new gun proposals and the letter that helped move a president to action. 8-year-old henna zija will join us next. ♪ ♪ s
ceiling, but if he is to do -- with regard to the gun control and universal background checks and he is going to have to spend a great deal of time and a great deal of political capital to get that done. >> the white house says a few things about this. one thing is he has his coalition that elected him by a strong margin behind him and they'll amplify that coalition as much as they can to try and push action, but they're looking at this as a three-track deal and the immigration reform...
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>> i think if they want to go with a clean debt ceiling race, he has to mike a final resolution. the public, not the republicans, the public wants spending cuts. he needs to go along with sequestration and find ways to cut government, shows that republicans are doing anything. boehner is a survivor, not really a leader. >> we'll have more after this break on the two presidents. what are the president's biggest challenges he faces going into this second term? stay with us. at 1:45, the aflac duck was brought in with multiple lacerations to the wing and a fractured beak. surgery was successful, but he will be in a cast until it is fully healed, possibly several months. so, if the duck isn't able to work, how will he pay for his living expenses? aflac. like his rent and car payments? aflac. what about gas and groceries? aflac. cell phone? aflac, but i doubt he'll be using his phone for quite a while cause like i said, he has a fractured beak. [ male announcer ] send the aflac duck a get-well card at getwellduck.com. ya. alright, another one just like that. right in the old bucket. g
>> i think if they want to go with a clean debt ceiling race, he has to mike a final resolution. the public, not the republicans, the public wants spending cuts. he needs to go along with sequestration and find ways to cut government, shows that republicans are doing anything. boehner is a survivor, not really a leader. >> we'll have more after this break on the two presidents. what are the president's biggest challenges he faces going into this second term? stay with us. at 1:45,...
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they decide, we're going to give a three-month reprieve to dealing with the debt ceiling, we're going to temporarily extend this limit. what do you think happened there and are you in favor -- what do you think was the ideology behind that? >> i think the ideology was ideology. i think within the republican party and within congress, it seems like the issues are not the issues anymore. the fight is the issue. i think republicans have understood that in this environment, hopefully that, like mayors do, we look at solving problems. and right now, the environment is just not good to have that kind of discussion. we saw it with the fiscal cliff discussion. we saw when you get to last-second discussions, good decisions aren't made and really nobody wins in those because then you have to sort out what happened. i think the republicans are saying, listen, let's have a cooling-off period, let's figure out how we want to approach this. let's work on solutions. that's what mayors do all day long. we work on solutions. we get frustrated when the ideology becomes the bigger issue than solving the
they decide, we're going to give a three-month reprieve to dealing with the debt ceiling, we're going to temporarily extend this limit. what do you think happened there and are you in favor -- what do you think was the ideology behind that? >> i think the ideology was ideology. i think within the republican party and within congress, it seems like the issues are not the issues anymore. the fight is the issue. i think republicans have understood that in this environment, hopefully that,...
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. >>> house republicans are offering a debt ceiling deal rather than risk a new financial crisis. they will allow new government borrowing for three months, but they insist the senate must pass a budget within those three months. and to add more pressure to get a deal, they promise to withhold paychecks for whichever chamber, house or senate, doesn't pass a budget. >>> officials have issued a high surf advisory for the northern california coast this weekend. the good news -- that's just about perfect for 24 of the world's top surfers who are waxing down their boards for a big wave competition in half moon bay that starts on sunday. the bad news -- the other seven billion people in the world can't swim there. >>> that is the news. guys? back to you guys. >> thank you. >> you're from that area, aren't you -- >> yeah, yeah, no. i wouldn't ever surf. >> you're in the seven billion part. >> we'll be on the beach. >> yeah. >> i used to sit on half moon bay and watch it. exactly. >>> dylan dreyer has another check of the forecast. >> good morning, guys. a couple of birthdays from texas.
. >>> house republicans are offering a debt ceiling deal rather than risk a new financial crisis. they will allow new government borrowing for three months, but they insist the senate must pass a budget within those three months. and to add more pressure to get a deal, they promise to withhold paychecks for whichever chamber, house or senate, doesn't pass a budget. >>> officials have issued a high surf advisory for the northern california coast this weekend. the good news --...
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increase. >> you also will need to have a budget in place in order to come to that debt ceiling debate as the republicans have laid it out at this point and you're also going to be dealing with the deficit and all of the other issues. so are you basically saying you don't think anything's changed here? >> no. i think the republicans have realized it's a political problem and a real problem if we jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. i'm not sure they understand we need to pay our bills. they seem to be confused if they only proposed three months. a clean debt ceiling is the only way to go. when we get to march 2nd and the sequester deadline approaches again, we need to focus on a balanced debt ceiling focus. that's what this is about. the americans made a decision. they embrace president obama's idea that we should have revenue and closed tax loopholes for the wealthiest pay more and reduce spending in a balanced way. >> i think what people also hoped that they were voting for was the democrats and republicans would get in a room together and would cooperate. >> th
increase. >> you also will need to have a budget in place in order to come to that debt ceiling debate as the republicans have laid it out at this point and you're also going to be dealing with the deficit and all of the other issues. so are you basically saying you don't think anything's changed here? >> no. i think the republicans have realized it's a political problem and a real problem if we jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states. i'm not sure they understand...
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maybe a bit of an olive branch saying three month extension in the debt ceiling would enable them to come to some sort of a deal not without caveats on spending. turk turk tied to. the budget. the senate hasn't in three years. unless the senate comes up with a budget by april 15th. no more pay for members of congress. which might be a stimulus of its own kind. >> alisyn: there is a new fox news poll about how americans are feeling about this. all of our budget battles. here is the question we asked. is government spending being managed carefully or out of control? not surprisingly now 83% of you say that it is out of control verses just 11% who say it's managed carefully and those numbers have become more extreme in the past two and three years. >> here is another big question we asked you fox news poll should the debt limit be raised again? of course it's been raised every year. the majority of you said only after major cuts are put in place. 69%. yes, it would be reckless not to raise the debt ceiling. >> which of course is president obama's position, 23% one there because he says
maybe a bit of an olive branch saying three month extension in the debt ceiling would enable them to come to some sort of a deal not without caveats on spending. turk turk tied to. the budget. the senate hasn't in three years. unless the senate comes up with a budget by april 15th. no more pay for members of congress. which might be a stimulus of its own kind. >> alisyn: there is a new fox news poll about how americans are feeling about this. all of our budget battles. here is the...
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but at the time, the debt ceiling story had not been fully told. at the beginning of that fight, the poll was something like -- he asked the public, should the debt ceiling be raised, 85-1r5, against. the president was really on the wrong side. by the end of it, it had evened out in the polls and republicans ended up being blamed more so. and the economy was also in a more fragile position than it even is now. the president and people around him were much worried about what a default might do in terms of a financial crisis here and abroad. fast forward to now, and i think the president won the message debate. he convinced the public that playing hostage taking with the debt ceiling was the wrong thing to do. and he also now has the business community, all those people watching the vix who don't want to go through that again. he is in a much strorpg position now to take that stance that he felt back then. circumstances have made it easier for him to play this game of chicken and actually, at least, win for the next three months. >> even that is fasc
but at the time, the debt ceiling story had not been fully told. at the beginning of that fight, the poll was something like -- he asked the public, should the debt ceiling be raised, 85-1r5, against. the president was really on the wrong side. by the end of it, it had evened out in the polls and republicans ended up being blamed more so. and the economy was also in a more fragile position than it even is now. the president and people around him were much worried about what a default might do...
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eric cantore proposes a three-month deal on the debt ceiling. some democrats are calling it a trap. i'll ask dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz what she thinks. democrats are about to drop the ball. tonight, my message to senator harry reid. plus the american people are getting ripped off by a congress that just isn't working. congressman rick nolan, there 30 years ago. he is back now and he can't believe the difference. he is wondering, are we getting paid for this? >>> is it really an admission of guilt if you don't show any remorse? >> it did not even feel wrong? >> no. it's scary. >> did you feel bad about it? >> no. even scarier. >> psychologist dr. jeffrey gardere on lance armstrong's bizarre performance last night. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. republicans surrendered today in one of his biggest fights. president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states
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ceiling. the deal not all worked out just yet. but apparently it this will not require the spending cuts that house republicans had wanted. just released fox news poll finds that 69% favor raising the debt limit only if there are major spending cuts involved. and 23% say it's reckless not to raise it regardless. the poll also shows more than 8 in 10 think government spending is out of control. only 11% believes it's being managed carefully. mike immanuel tracking developments on the hill tonight. what's behind this house republican plan. >> bill, a lot of g.o.p. frustration has been based on the fact the senate has not passed a budget. so republicans are trying to force it house speaker john boehner told house members, quote: before there is any long-term debt alowe time for a budget to get done. >> he our hope is to pass something very early so the senate can take action as well. i wouldn't put any jeopardizing of the economy there. shows that it is a very rational, put us on a better path an
ceiling. the deal not all worked out just yet. but apparently it this will not require the spending cuts that house republicans had wanted. just released fox news poll finds that 69% favor raising the debt limit only if there are major spending cuts involved. and 23% say it's reckless not to raise it regardless. the poll also shows more than 8 in 10 think government spending is out of control. only 11% believes it's being managed carefully. mike immanuel tracking developments on the hill...
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jay carney at the white house called for passing a clean debt limit deal without delay. leading republicans are saying without a budget that includes a real plan to reduce the deficit, the nation faces the threat of a credit downgrade. bret? >> bret: mike, thank you. sticking with the tet and deficit issues, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are talking about what to do in a worse case scenario. the government not having enough money to pay its bills. chief political correspondent carl cameron reports on a possible short-term solution that is getting a long look by some people. >> with the white house refusing to negotiate spending cuts and the democrat controlled senate unlikely to pass a budget as part of a long-term deal to raise the tet ceiling, pat toomey of pennsylvania is reintroducing legislation he says will avert the u.s. from defaulting on the debt. >> we must prioritize three categories of payments. one would be debt service, interest on the debt so we would haven't default. a second would be social curt payment to seniors so they don't worry whether the c
jay carney at the white house called for passing a clean debt limit deal without delay. leading republicans are saying without a budget that includes a real plan to reduce the deficit, the nation faces the threat of a credit downgrade. bret? >> bret: mike, thank you. sticking with the tet and deficit issues, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are talking about what to do in a worse case scenario. the government not having enough money to pay its bills. chief political correspondent carl...
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with these things, take the small one first, debt ceiling last, i think it's a rational, reasonable thing to do. >> now, for some, wolf, maybe even those in the republican house leadership, like him talking about what is rational and reasonable, that may be a bit jarring but the house republicans are coming out of their three-day retreat saying they have a better chance of reaching their goal of broad spending cuts. and that means not making the demand in the next few weeks, which is exactly what it would mean because, according to most economists, we will hit that debt ceiling mid-february. >> so here's the question, bottom line, is is this a sure thing? will congress actually vote to raise the debt limit next week? >> well, there is a catch. the house gop, the leadership at least says what they are going to try to pass next week would raise the debt ceiling for three months but with a condition. and that would be that the house and senate pass budgets. it may seem simple but house republicans like to point out that they haven't passed a budget in years. we already saw a carefully
with these things, take the small one first, debt ceiling last, i think it's a rational, reasonable thing to do. >> now, for some, wolf, maybe even those in the republican house leadership, like him talking about what is rational and reasonable, that may be a bit jarring but the house republicans are coming out of their three-day retreat saying they have a better chance of reaching their goal of broad spending cuts. and that means not making the demand in the next few weeks, which is...
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how do you square that with this very specific debt ceiling problem that we have, that we have financial obligations that we've already made that need to be paid and we have a second debate going on about how we should spend our money? >> basically, ali, we have 100% leveraged. $16.5 trillion in debt. if we continue to borrow and spend beyond our limit, we're going to compound that debt and deficit and be on an us sustainable course for us to survive. we're at a point, we need to take the one less traveled and make all the difference. we're going to have to put our talking points on and leave them outside of the room. >> yes. >> sit down at the table, prioritize our spending, act like a business person would have to act and every family member has to act and we're going to get our house in order. we don't do that, we're going to be a deader state. >> you want to get business done. you want to get a budget. can can we not separate these things out? i know there are a lot of people who take the debt ceiling off the table and increase it and you lose your leverage. republicans lose your lev
how do you square that with this very specific debt ceiling problem that we have, that we have financial obligations that we've already made that need to be paid and we have a second debate going on about how we should spend our money? >> basically, ali, we have 100% leveraged. $16.5 trillion in debt. if we continue to borrow and spend beyond our limit, we're going to compound that debt and deficit and be on an us sustainable course for us to survive. we're at a point, we need to take the...
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might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday and then again today.
might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the...
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they would focus on a longer-term debt ceiling increase sometime in april or may. that is the strategy from house republicans. president obama says he has not even entertained any type of negotiations. republicans should agree to raise the debt ceiling because having to raise it is the result of appropriations already passed and signed into law. back to you. melissa: thanks so much. ashley: here with reaction to the gop when it peter welch. thank you for joining us. you say, look, republicans are making it an "economic weapon of mass distraction." do they get is a continuation of that? >> it is actually progress for the republican confidence, but it is not progress for the country. that tack tick is not one that they can hold onto because they know it will plunge this country into a deeper recession. they have been -- it is a way to say they are avoiding. ashley: it really is not addressing the issue, though, what will it take to get that in place. i know that you, of course, have been leading the charge to have the president to prevent the country from defaulting.
they would focus on a longer-term debt ceiling increase sometime in april or may. that is the strategy from house republicans. president obama says he has not even entertained any type of negotiations. republicans should agree to raise the debt ceiling because having to raise it is the result of appropriations already passed and signed into law. back to you. melissa: thanks so much. ashley: here with reaction to the gop when it peter welch. thank you for joining us. you say, look, republicans...
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the president of united states as he is not negotiating the debt ceiling. he says it is simply up to congress. it is due to spending that is already approved. the majority of republicans voted against the deal because there were no spending cuts. this was the first strategy session. we are going to have these fights throughout the spring. back to you. cheryl: we just had a guest trying to tell us to avoid the noise in washington. thank you very much, rich. dennis: let's take a look at apple shares right now. down five dollars. 1%. another tip today. an analyst says do not hang up on the iphone maker. that cancellation of orders for iphone parts, it is not tied to sell drop in demand for iphone5. apple is moving toward so-called -- screens from different suppliers. analyst who are usually critical of apple came out and said, look, this recent sellout, way overdone. cheryl: there really is a lack of facts. we really do not know the true details of what is happening. dennis: people who trade daily had to overact to the slightest, you know negative thing. chery
the president of united states as he is not negotiating the debt ceiling. he says it is simply up to congress. it is due to spending that is already approved. the majority of republicans voted against the deal because there were no spending cuts. this was the first strategy session. we are going to have these fights throughout the spring. back to you. cheryl: we just had a guest trying to tell us to avoid the noise in washington. thank you very much, rich. dennis: let's take a look at apple...
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the federal debt ceiling both sides are trying to prepare for and even avert a potential default. white house says if it happens it will pay revenue to pay bills in order they are received what you said. for the past year, pennsylvania senator pat toomey and handful of others in the house and senate are pushing legislation would prioritize which bills get paid. arguing if you pay the interest first on the debt, default can be avoided and there would be enough money left over from incoming revenues to pay social security checks and salary for active duty military. that is what the republicans are pushing. that is what toomey is trying to say would be a good way to go for the last year-and-a-half, jon. jon: what is the reaction to the administration, or the administration's reaction i should say to what senator toomey is proposing? >> reporter: somewhere between dismissive and ridicule. the treasury department dump all over this the administration official position legislation to quote, prioritize payments would amount to default and bring the same sort of catastrophic economic cons
the federal debt ceiling both sides are trying to prepare for and even avert a potential default. white house says if it happens it will pay revenue to pay bills in order they are received what you said. for the past year, pennsylvania senator pat toomey and handful of others in the house and senate are pushing legislation would prioritize which bills get paid. arguing if you pay the interest first on the debt, default can be avoided and there would be enough money left over from incoming...
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it's not just raising the debt ceiling that he's going to have to deal with. but he's going to have to negotiate with the republicans and perhaps try to change the tax code. all of these things are things he's already signaled he wants to do. what's fascinating is that this is a president who wanted to be a domestic president in the last -- in his first term and he was saddled with an economic situation and two wars to deal with. now is a shot to be that domestic president and make some really big change. but he's going to have to work with republicans in the house in order to get big things accomplished. >> and clearly what he wants to do is have some influence on voters. and though the official announcement is expected today, we do know that obama for america is going to become this nonprofit supporting his agenda. what kind of influence could this have? >> well, i think if you're an obama supporter, you hope it has more influence than it did or what they tried to do during his first term. they talked a lot about this leveraging his campaign which everyone,
it's not just raising the debt ceiling that he's going to have to deal with. but he's going to have to negotiate with the republicans and perhaps try to change the tax code. all of these things are things he's already signaled he wants to do. what's fascinating is that this is a president who wanted to be a domestic president in the last -- in his first term and he was saddled with an economic situation and two wars to deal with. now is a shot to be that domestic president and make some really...
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with the debt ceiling and we may meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over 10 years in the long-term deficit and to put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today, because as important as they all are today we have a more urgent and immediate call and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics better than anyone so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i owe an incredible debt of gratitude to you at the head table and those of you in the room. i know we don't have unanimity in this ballroom nor do we in any ballroom, but we all acknowledge that we have to do something. we have to act. and i hope we all agree, there is a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the one we witnessed in newtown 34 days ago cannot be continued to be tolerated. that tragedy has affected the public psyche in a way i have never seen before. the image of first graders, not only shot, but rid
with the debt ceiling and we may meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over 10 years in the long-term deficit and to put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today, because as important as they all are today we have a more urgent and immediate call and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics better than anyone so i'm not going to repeat them. on that...
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ceiling deal. and by the way, the president's intransigence on this, this idea that he won't negotiate, republicans are looking at this and saying, well, we actually did get a fair amount of spending cuts the last time we fought on the debt ceiling in the budget control act of last year. the president said that this deal now would have to include an extension of the debt ceiling that they just got to avoid the fiscal cliff. well, he ultimately folded on that. so as a tactical matter, even in their minority position, they can look at this and see, well, there is some gain to be gotten here if we keep pushing on this. i think the flip side of this is also a big challenge for the president. if he really wants to unshackle the economy, if he wants to get more robust economic growth, does he not want to be more proactive about dealing with some of these entitlements, with dealing with the budget picture, even where he has real problems with his supposed, you know, partners in this to republicans? does h
ceiling deal. and by the way, the president's intransigence on this, this idea that he won't negotiate, republicans are looking at this and saying, well, we actually did get a fair amount of spending cuts the last time we fought on the debt ceiling in the budget control act of last year. the president said that this deal now would have to include an extension of the debt ceiling that they just got to avoid the fiscal cliff. well, he ultimately folded on that. so as a tactical matter, even in...